I've been lurking on this thread, as I am sure many others are as well. John you make some valid points, I guess. I say that because in the 15 years of owning dirt bikes, ATV, and now my UTV, I have yet to have been a "victim" of these groups/orgnization/club whatever that he describes. John, I'm not bashing you, but I sense in your posts an awful lot of hostility towards the groups that you obviously feel are, for lack of a better term, evil. I almost sense a personal agenda within your discussion, which is fine, thats your ideal, go for it. I can appreciate wanting active discussion with national groups and am all for working together, however, lets face it. That will never happen in our lifetime because it has been so engrained into the psyche of the owners of these, or any trail type vehicle, and I include every group here, horse, bike, hiker, pogo stick, whatever. In a utopian society, yes, we could all have 50" or wider trails, everyone would wave and say hi to each other, and every night we would all get together and sing songs around the campfire. This, as you well know, is not utopia. Call me simple, but quite frankly, I could care less right now about what a national group is doing about allowing me to ride on a trail 1000 miles from here. I'm a little more concerned with getting the state of Iowa to even allow me to register my Ranger so I can ride on the the trails already here. I'll worry about national after I get state down first. I learned a long time ago that it isn't WHO you take on, but HOW you take them on that can either point towards a victory or point to a defeat.
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