Staggering the pack and becomming legacy builders vs not

[Rhino]

Originally Posted by ravencr

What is FRS?
Chris

The family radio service (I believe).....basically the low-power network that most of your cheaper two-ways operate on.

[Rhino]

Originally Posted by kevlar

As far as trail communication goes, we do it the old fashion way; i.e. the guy in front is responsible for the guy directly behind him. They dont have to stay in visual sight but the front guy has to stop at every fork and make sure the guy behind him sees which way he goes. With that being said I do think it would be a good idea if the entire group monitors the same FRS radio (if they have them) channel so help can be called for if needed.
Also GPS should be standard equipment, IMO.

It's as simple as that and only a problem if everybody in the group doesn't understand just why one or more parties in same string the rest of the group out for miles over their refusal to ride somebody's butt.
I just won't travel hundreds or thousands of miles to see everything in a 'haze'...but that's just me.

[kevlar]

Originally Posted by Rhino

The family radio service (I believe).....basically the low-power network that most of your cheaper two-ways operate on.

Yes, it is the band most widely used by hand held walkie talkies today with a range of up to 10 miles, line of sight. I have two Motorola walkabouts. About $70 with charger at costco.

[acad54]

Blackballed(Rhino) is that you?

[Rhino]

Originally Posted by acad54

Blackballed(Rhino) is that you?

Who else would be questioning why the agenda here (from the AMA District 14 website): http://www.ama-d14.org/MI_07_Enthusi...enda_12-1A.doc demands unspecified "ground rules" and a session on "providing effective input" ...while my e-mails questioning just that (and why there is no simple "Q and A" period included) go unanswered to both our NOHVCC national president and my local representatives?

Appparently, the United Four Wheel Drive Association feels strongly enough about multi-use issues needing to be discussed here that they've filed this: (from the UFWDA website) http://www.ufwda.org/pdfs/APPEAL_HMNF_legalappeal.pdf ....yet similiar utv-related 50" vs 60" issues (top of page 7) are not something "the powers that be" want shoved in their face by mere peons off the street!.(not to mention how $4 million in November-released dollars should be spent in conjuncture with these plans or how the inevitable sticker-hike not being reported back on by our leaders hugely affects same in the long term).

Yep, it's me ....has anybody else ever questioned where our money actually goes when it comes to all these orv groups working together instead of apart? (sorry, but when any group claims to me that they're all about "shared trails"....that had better be the case whether their AMA buddy is arrogantly standing right there next to them...or not ).

[Rhino]

Originally Posted by Rhino

Great forum!
Just a couple of questions:.....#3) Has anybody in the UTV/SXS world gotten beyond talking about mods and planning outings to delve into how our machines fit politically into the orv mix? True multi-use trail systems are definitely not a 'given' in today's "every machine for themselves" leadership-less local/national organizational level and the subject is definitely not coming up in forestry travel manangement workshops sponsored by these very same people. (with the most recent "closed unless posted open" policy most likely being the most important subject manner to ever affect this sport).

Thanks for your thoughts,

John

"wow".....I either just talked way over the basic understanding of current events few care about....or simply made the mistake of 'how dare you' questioning those who presently lead/divide our sport into single vs multi-use factions.
Is this why attending get-togethers in the (cough) 'united' orv community is like "walking on eggshells"???
For example:
Who goes to Windrock events with the hope of gathering folks together in regards to basic safety issues or changing state-wide double-em-up/helmet-less laws to mirror what our national orv leaders portray us to be?
How about southeastern Kentucky in regards to finally bringing the concept of 'pay-to-play' to not only that region; but every other in the Appalachias not publicly calling for the same type of H/M-like system to be put in place for the sake of our kids?

As I said....it looks like getting together with folks in the "we're all just one big happy family" orv world requires one of two things:
That you either be dumb as a rock and not care about the political issues affecting both your sport and your kid's ability to enjoy it when you're gone (similiar to the familiar "I just want the bumper sticker/t-shirt" mentality prevalent in local clubs and national organizations).....
....or that you have 'half-a-brain'; yet simply sit there and keep your mouth shut as the price of admission into a potential 'family' where only the most pleasant of items are ever pointedly discussed.(I don't discount the camaraderie factor here whatsoever....it's just that when I travel hundreds or thousands of miles to be viewed as 'united' and there isn't even a damn local charity event planned or business to be tended to affecting our ability to ever gather again elsewhere....).

Not knocking this rally or any other out there; just commenting on the fact that very few give a damn about turning around the perception of us by others or holding even our own leader's feet to the fire for many years of flat out running away from what I've brought up above.

If you can't get these people to even include "Q and A" periods at public meetings in a state with the largest maintained trail system out there....with 100% of the orv community supporting same and obviously no questions of their own....who are we to blame when OUR kids never choose to get involved at levels beyond "who's going to bring the weenies?" anymore than we ever did?

[Rhino]

Originally Posted by Rhino

"wow".....I either just talked way over the basic understanding of current events few care about....or simply made the mistake of 'how dare you' questioning those who presently lead/divide our sport into single vs multi-use factions.
Is this why attending get-togethers in the (cough) 'united' orv community is like "walking on eggshells"???
For example:
Who goes to Windrock events with the hope of gathering folks together in regards to basic safety issues or changing state-wide double-em-up/helmet-less laws to mirror what our national orv leaders portray us to be?
How about southeastern Kentucky in regards to finally bringing the concept of 'pay-to-play' to not only that region; but every other in the Appalachias not publicly calling for the same type of H/M-like system to be put in place for the sake of our kids?

As I said....it looks like getting together with folks in the "we're all just one big happy family" orv world requires one of two things:
That you either be dumb as a rock and not care about the political issues affecting both your sport and your kid's ability to enjoy it when you're gone (similiar to the familiar "I just want the bumper sticker/t-shirt" mentality prevalent in many local clubs and national organizations).....
....or that you have 'half-a-brain'; yet simply sit there and keep your mouth shut as the price of admission into a potential 'family' where only the most pleasant of items are ever pointedly discussed.(I don't discount the camaraderie factor here whatsoever....it's just that when I travel hundreds or thousands of miles to be viewed as 'united' and there isn't even a damn local charity event planned or business to be tended to affecting our ability to ever gather again elsewhere....).

Not knocking this rally or any other out there; just commenting on the fact that very few give a damn about turning around the perception of us by others or holding even our own leader's feet to the fire for many years of flat out running away from what I've brought up above.

If you can't get these people to even include "Q and A" periods at orv group sponsored public meetings in a state with the largest maintained trail system out there....with 100% of the orv community supporting same and obviously no questions of their own....who are we to blame when OUR kids never choose to get involved at levels beyond "who's going to bring the weenies?" anymore than we ever did?

[ramsfan]

rhino I would love to join your chat, but am simply lost in the words you use. Yes I get the point in a round of bout way but you make it difficult to understand what points you want listened to


I agree if the state collects the same money from me as the do a mc or atv then I should have the same trail use as they do and I have seen where there are some areas taking side by sides more serious. I know you are not putting this event or anyone here down, but you might want to simplify what you are saying for some of us who get lost in your words.

I have had some heated issues in other forums on the 50 inch rule and feel that instead of a width rule they should maybe step up to the gov. standard of cc's which is the way they classify side by sides in the atv class due to the fact they wont let it get over a certain HP.obviously on some trails you dont want full size 4 wheel drive trucks running down it with 44 inch tires and 350+HP but there should be a place provided for that to happen.

Look at Moab they have hundreds and hundreds of miles of trails and they do provide areas for every type of ride, so if that part of the state can do it then why not the other parts that have great trail systems also.

I guess what I am trying to say is yes I agree and feel there should be more opportunitys out there for all and yes I feel many clubs are just that clubs. But given a chance I fell this group with the help of people like yourself and others who agree can and will make a difference. But it wont be overnight and It will take get togethers like this to show we can organize and put on safe events with good results. I have already mentioned maybe having organized cleznups in parks to 1 help show we care about our trail systems 2 get more attention on what sxs's can do 3 show that it is more then just farmers buying these sxs's 4 they can be safe and fun ways to see the parks 5 meet with officials so they can discuss the future of trails and what would be needed to continue this.

[kevlar]

I have been sitting here for the last hour trying to put to words what Ramsfan has just said. Thank you for being my involuntary spokesperson. I'm sure I would have botched it all up.

But....................,








Can you let us know what your 4th point was? You seemed to have skipped it.

[ravencr]

Too many high IQ's in this thread! I'm out!

Chris